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Desire & Self-Control

Desire, on the Stoic account, is where you hand your peace of mind to something outside you. Wanting a thing that is not up to you means the world now decides how you feel, and it will not consult you. The discipline is to want less, and to want the right kind of thing. This is not asceticism for its own sake. The complaint in these passages is not that pleasure is wicked but that appetite has no natural stopping point: once you go past what you actually need, as Epictetus puts it, there is no limit.

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"When you have become adjusted to simple living in regard to your bodily wants, do not preen yourself about the accomplishment; and so likewise, if you are a water-drinker, do not on every occasion say that you are a water-drinker."

— Epictetus, The Enchiridion 47

"Upon this our philosopher not unwillingly carried his three or four denarii home again, shaking them every now and then; afterwards, blaming himself for the pleasure which he had secretly felt at not paying his debt, and perceiving that he enjoyed having made this trifling gain, he returned to the shop, and saying, "the man lives for you, pay him what you owe," he passed four denarii into the shop through the crack of the closed door, and let them fall inside, punishing himself for his unconscionable greediness that he might not form the habit of appropriating that which is not his own."

— Seneca, On Benefits 7.21

"For once you go beyond the measure there is no limit."

— Epictetus, The Enchiridion 39

"Moreover, he who runs after pleasures as goods and away from pains as evils commits sin; for being such a man he must necessarily often blame Universal Nature for distributing to bad and good contrary to their desert, because the bad are often employed in pleasures and acquire what may produce these, while the good are involved in pain and in what may produce this."

— Marcus Aurelius, The Meditations 9.01

"The fourth thing that will cause you to reproach yourself is that this ensues from your more divine part being overcome and yielding to the less honourable and mortal portion, the body and its gross pleasures."

— Marcus Aurelius, The Meditations 11.19

"Yet the very time which they enjoy is brief and soon past, and is made much briefer by their own fault: for they run from one pleasure to another, and are not able to devote themselves consistently to one passion: their days are not long, but odious to them: on the other hand, how short they find the nights which they spend with courtesans or over wine?"

— Seneca, On the Shortness of Life 1.16

"The pleasures of wise men, on the other hand, are mild, decorous, verging on dullness, kept under restraint and scarcely noticeable, and are neither invited to come nor received with honour when they come of their own accord, nor are they welcomed with any delight by those whom they visit, who mix them up with their lives and fill up empty spaces with them, like an amusing farce in the intervals of serious business."

— Seneca, On the Happy Life XII

"Wilt thou one day be filled and without want, craving nothing and desiring nothing, animate or inanimate, for indulgence in pleasures; not time wherein longer to indulge thyself, nor happy situation of place or room or breezes nor harmony of men?"

— Marcus Aurelius, The Meditations 10.01

""Yet when moderation lessens pleasure, it impairs the highest good." You devote yourself to pleasures, I check them; you indulge in pleasure, I use it; you think that it is the highest good, I do not even think it to be good: for the sake of pleasure I do nothing, you do everything."

— Seneca, On the Happy Life X

"On the contrary, those who have permitted pleasure to lead the van, have neither one nor the other: for they lose virtue altogether, and yet they do not possess pleasure, but are possessed by it, and are either tortured by its absence or choked by its excess, being wretched if deserted by it, and yet more wretched if overwhelmed by it, like those who are caught in the shoals of the Syrtes and at one time are left on dry ground and at another tossed on the flowing waves."

— Seneca, On the Happy Life XIV

"I should not call a woman modest, if she rebuffed her lover in order to increase his passion, or because she feared the law or her husband; as Ovid says: "She that denies, because she does not dare To yield, in spirit grants her lover's prayer." Indeed, the woman who owes her chastity, not to her own virtue, but to fear, may rightly be classed as a sinner."

— Seneca, On Benefits 4.14

"Now this person, concerning whom you have sent me your message in writing, has no strength; for he has pampered his vices."

— Seneca, Moral Letters to Lucilius 112

"It is a mark of an ungifted man to spend a great deal of time in what concerns his body, as in much exercise, much eating, much drinking, much evacuating of the bowels, much copulating."

— Epictetus, The Enchiridion 41

"They hate the fortunate and despise the unfortunate: they grudgingly endure the great, and oppress the small: they are fired by diverse lusts: they would wreck everything for the sake of a little pleasure or plunder: they live as though they were in a school of gladiators, fighting with the same people with whom they live: it is like a society of wild beasts, save that beasts are tame with one another, and refrain from biting their own species, whereas men tear one another, and gorge themselves upon one another."

— Seneca, On Anger 2.08

"He has put away from himself his every desire, and has transferred his aversion to those things only, of what is under our control, which are contrary to nature."

— Epictetus, The Enchiridion 48

"For clearly one who loses his temper is turning away from Reason with a kind of pain and inward spasm; whereas he who offends through appetite is the victim of pleasure and is clearly more vicious in a way and more effeminate in his wrong-doing."

— Marcus Aurelius, The Meditations 2.10

"The next is combined with a wish, though not an obstinate one, as, for example, "It is my duty to avenge myself, because I have been injured," or "It is right that this man should be punished, because he has committed a crime." The third emotion is already beyond our control, because it overrides reason, and wishes to avenge itself, not if it be its duty, but whether or no."

— Seneca, On Anger 2.04

"However, if you feel that a suitable occasion has arisen to do the deed, be careful not to allow its enticement, and sweetness, and attractiveness to overcome you; but set over against all this the thought, how much better is the consciousness of having won a victory over it."

— Epictetus, The Enchiridion 34

"The mind can find no safe repose there, it must needs be shaken and tempest-tossed if it be safe only because of its own defects, if it cannot be brave without anger, diligent without greed, quiet without fear: such is the despotism under which a man must live if he becomes the slave of a passion."

— Seneca, On Anger 1.10

"It is not the natural hunger of our bellies that costs us dear, but our solicitous cravings."

— Seneca, Moral Letters to Lucilius 60

"His greed ever stretches itself out further, and he does not understand the greatness of his success because he always looks forward to the point at which he aims, and never back towards that from which he started."

— Seneca, On Benefits 2.27

"But if they are powerful, why not rather pray them for the gift to fear none of these things, to desire none of them, to sorrow for none of them, rather than that any one of them should be present or absent?"

— Marcus Aurelius, The Meditations 9.40

"Wipe out imagination: check impulse: quench desire: keep the governing self in its own control."

— Marcus Aurelius, The Meditations 9.07

"For no one can be styled happy who is beyond the influence of truth: and consequently a happy life is unchangeable, and is founded upon a true and trustworthy discernment; for the mind is uncontaminated and freed from all evils only when it is able to escape not merely from wounds but also from scratches, when it will always be able to maintain the position which it has taken up, and defend it even against the angry assaults of Fortune: for with regard to sensual pleasures, though they were to surround one on every side, and use every means of assault, trying to win over the mind by caresses and making trial of every conceivable stratagem to attract either our entire selves or our separate parts, yet what mortal that retains any traces of human origin would wish to be tickled day and night, and, neglecting his mind, to devote himself to bodily enjoyments?"

— Seneca, On the Happy Life V

"Keep before your eyes day by day death and exile, and everything that seems terrible, but most of all death; and then you will never have any abject thought, nor will you yearn for anything beyond measure."

— Epictetus, The Enchiridion 21

"Your paltry oil gets spilled, your miserable wine stolen; say to yourself, "This is the price paid for a calm spirit, this the price for peace of mind." Nothing is got without a price."

— Epictetus, The Enchiridion 12

"Do not seek to have everything that happens happen as you wish, but wish for everything to happen as it actually does happen, and your life will be serene."

— Epictetus, The Enchiridion 8

"Brief is the life of each of us, and this of yours is nearly ended, and yet you do not reverence yourself, but commit your well-being to the charge of other men's souls."

— Marcus Aurelius, The Meditations 2.06

"We declare that Augustus was a good emperor, and that he was well worthy to bear his parent's name, for no other reason than because he did not even show cruelty in avenging personal insults, which most princes feel more keenly than actual injuries; because he smiled at scandalous jests against himself, because it was evident that he himself suffered when he punished others, because he was so far from putting to death even those whom he had convicted of intriguing with his daughter, that when they were banished he gave them passports to enable them to travel more safely."

— Seneca, On Clemency 1.10

"1 Whoever thinks any other thing to be good except those things which depend on the will, let him envy, let him desire, let him flatter, let him be perturbed; whoever considers anything else to be evil, let him grieve, let him lament, let him weep, let him be unhappy."

— Epictetus, Discourses 3.11

"He prays aloud, "May he fall into my power, may he need my influence, may not be able to be safe and respectable without my aid, may he be so unfortunate that whatever return I make to him may be regarded as a benefit." To the gods alone he adds, "May domestic treasons encompass him, which can be quelled by me alone; may some powerful and virulent enemy, some excited and armed mob, assail him; may he be set upon by a creditor or an informer.""

— Seneca, On Benefits 6.39

"Take heed not to be transformed into a Caesar, not to be dipped in the purple dye; for it does happen."

— Marcus Aurelius, The Meditations 6.30

"The late Emperor Augustus banished his daughter, whose conduct went beyond the shame of ordinary immodesty, and made public the scandals of the imperial house ***** ***** Led away by his passion, he divulged all these crimes which, as emperor, he ought to have kept secret with as much care as he punished them, because the shame of some deeds asperses even him who avenges them."

— Seneca, On Benefits 6.32

"When you are called from sleep with difficulty, revive the thought that to render social acts is according to your constitution and to human nature, but to sleep is what you share also with dumb animals."

— Marcus Aurelius, The Meditations 8.12

"You are not able to read; but you are able to restrain your arrogance, you are able to rise above pleasures and pains, you are able to be superior to fame, you are able not only not to be angry with the unfeeling and graceless, but to care for them besides."

— Marcus Aurelius, The Meditations 8.08

"With such high aims, therefore, remember that you must bestir yourself with no slight effort to lay hold of them, but you will have to give up some things entirely, and defer others for the time being."

— Epictetus, The Enchiridion 1

"If a man is likely to meet with affronts by showing his gratitude, if he knows that far from gaining anything by it, he must lose much even of what he has already acquired, will he not cheerfully act to his own disadvantage?"

— Seneca, On Benefits 4.20

"Wipe out impressions by continually saying to yourself: it is in my power now not to allow any wickedness to be in this soul of mine, any appetite or disturbance at all, but seeing what is the character of them all I employ each according to its worth."

— Marcus Aurelius, The Meditations 8.29

"When, therefore, you are eating with another person, remember to regard, not merely the value for your body of what lies before you, but also to maintain your respect for your host."

— Epictetus, The Enchiridion 36

"Do you wish to please a man who doesn't please himself?"

— Marcus Aurelius, The Meditations 8.53

"From my mother: piety and bountifulness, to keep myself not only from doing evil but even from dwelling on evil thoughts, simplicity too in diet and to be far removed from the ways of the rich."

— Marcus Aurelius, The Meditations 1.03

"From Alexander the grammarian: to avoid fault-finding and not to censure in a carping spirit any who employ an exotic phrase, a solecism, or harsh expression, but oneself to use, neatly and precisely, the correct phrase, by way of answer or confirmation or handling of the actual question—the thing, not its verbal expression—or by some other equally happy reminder."

— Marcus Aurelius, The Meditations 1.10

"Let us cease to desire that which we have been desiring."

— Seneca, Moral Letters to Lucilius 61

"We need not wonder at this, for whatever is obtained by covetousness is simply swallowed up and lost, nor does it matter how much is poured into its insatiable maw."

— Seneca, On Benefits 7.03

"Why do I pry into ancient history? quite lately Gaius Caesar flogged and tortured Sextus Papinius, whose father was a consular, Betilienas Bassus, his own quaestor, and several others, both senators and knights, on the same day, not to carry out any judicial inquiry, but merely to amuse himself."

— Seneca, On Anger 3.18

"The Spartans used to put seats for visitors at their entertainments in the shade, and to seat themselves wherever they found room."

— Marcus Aurelius, The Meditations 11.24

"And so you will, if only you do each act as though it were your last, freed from every random aim, from wilful turning away from the directing Reason, from pretence, self-love and displeasure with what is allotted to you."

— Marcus Aurelius, The Meditations 2.05

"Is it for this that I am fashioned, to lie in bedclothes and keep myself warm?' 'But this is more pleasant.' 'Were you born then to please yourself; in fact for feeling, not for action?"

— Marcus Aurelius, The Meditations 5.01

"How many beautiful things have been revealed, how many pleasures and pains you have looked down upon, how many ambitions ignored, to how many unkind persons you have been kind!"

— Marcus Aurelius, The Meditations 5.31

"If you see a handsome lad or woman, you will find continence the faculty to employ here; if hard labour is laid upon you, you will find endurance; if reviling, you will find patience to bear evil."

— Epictetus, The Enchiridion 10

In summary

Epictetus treated the training of desire as the first of his three disciplines, the one to get right before the others are worth attempting. Musonius Rufus went at it concretely, down to arguments about what to eat. Seneca, characteristically, is more interested in the pathology - the cultivated craving, the vice that has been pampered until there is no strength left in the person. The practical suggestion running through them is simpler than the theory: shrink the number of things whose absence would trouble you, and you have made yourself harder to reach.