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Desire & Self-Control

Desire, on the Stoic account, is where you hand your peace of mind to something outside you. Wanting a thing that is not up to you means the world now decides how you feel, and it will not consult you. The discipline is to want less, and to want the right kind of thing. This is not asceticism for its own sake. The complaint in these passages is not that pleasure is wicked but that appetite has no natural stopping point: once you go past what you actually need, as Epictetus puts it, there is no limit.

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"When you have become adjusted to simple living in regard to your bodily wants, do not preen yourself about the accomplishment; and so likewise, if you are a water-drinker, do not on every occasion say that you are a water-drinker."

— Epictetus, The Enchiridion 47

"Upon this our philosopher not unwillingly carried his three or four denarii home again, shaking them every now and then; afterwards, blaming himself for the pleasure which he had secretly felt at not paying his debt, and perceiving that he enjoyed having made this trifling gain, he returned to the shop, and saying, "the man lives for you, pay him what you owe," he passed four denarii into the shop through the crack of the closed door, and let them fall inside, punishing himself for his unconscionable greediness that he might not form the habit of appropriating that which is not his own."

— Seneca, On Benefits 7.21

"For once you go beyond the measure there is no limit."

— Epictetus, The Enchiridion 39

"Moreover, he who runs after pleasures as goods and away from pains as evils commits sin; for being such a man he must necessarily often blame Universal Nature for distributing to bad and good contrary to their desert, because the bad are often employed in pleasures and acquire what may produce these, while the good are involved in pain and in what may produce this."

— Marcus Aurelius, The Meditations 9.01

"The fourth thing that will cause you to reproach yourself is that this ensues from your more divine part being overcome and yielding to the less honourable and mortal portion, the body and its gross pleasures."

— Marcus Aurelius, The Meditations 11.19

"Yet the very time which they enjoy is brief and soon past, and is made much briefer by their own fault: for they run from one pleasure to another, and are not able to devote themselves consistently to one passion: their days are not long, but odious to them: on the other hand, how short they find the nights which they spend with courtesans or over wine?"

— Seneca, On the Shortness of Life 1.16

"The pleasures of wise men, on the other hand, are mild, decorous, verging on dullness, kept under restraint and scarcely noticeable, and are neither invited to come nor received with honour when they come of their own accord, nor are they welcomed with any delight by those whom they visit, who mix them up with their lives and fill up empty spaces with them, like an amusing farce in the intervals of serious business."

— Seneca, On the Happy Life XII

"Wilt thou one day be filled and without want, craving nothing and desiring nothing, animate or inanimate, for indulgence in pleasures; not time wherein longer to indulge thyself, nor happy situation of place or room or breezes nor harmony of men?"

— Marcus Aurelius, The Meditations 10.01

""Yet when moderation lessens pleasure, it impairs the highest good." You devote yourself to pleasures, I check them; you indulge in pleasure, I use it; you think that it is the highest good, I do not even think it to be good: for the sake of pleasure I do nothing, you do everything."

— Seneca, On the Happy Life X

"On the contrary, those who have permitted pleasure to lead the van, have neither one nor the other: for they lose virtue altogether, and yet they do not possess pleasure, but are possessed by it, and are either tortured by its absence or choked by its excess, being wretched if deserted by it, and yet more wretched if overwhelmed by it, like those who are caught in the shoals of the Syrtes and at one time are left on dry ground and at another tossed on the flowing waves."

— Seneca, On the Happy Life XIV

In summary

Epictetus treated the training of desire as the first of his three disciplines, the one to get right before the others are worth attempting. Musonius Rufus went at it concretely, down to arguments about what to eat. Seneca, characteristically, is more interested in the pathology - the cultivated craving, the vice that has been pampered until there is no strength left in the person. The practical suggestion running through them is simpler than the theory: shrink the number of things whose absence would trouble you, and you have made yourself harder to reach.